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This article may be an eye opener and one can feel for the 52 deserving students who would have got admission if this would not have happened. I wonder if something can be done with these 52 seats at this point of time (October end).

Q and A (IIT JEE New Pattern etc.)

Here are a few questions and answers which may be of general interest.
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Sir,

When would you put up the Analysis of Marks in IIT JEE 2005? For JEE 2006, how will IITs nullify the coaching institutions' training? What will be level of difficulty. Prof Idichandy has said that a good Standard XII Student can get through without any coaching. Will IIT JEE be comparable with AIEEE in terms of difficulty?What would be a likely cut off?Will there be a huge change from previous years' cut offs?

Thanking you,
Sathej
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The analysis will be put up once the data is sufficiently large enough to bring the error of extrapolation upto a certain limit.

The paper can be expected to be innovative in nature so as to offset traditional formats of coaching to some extent.

The difficulty level can be expected to be a bit lower than what a JEE is conventionally known for. AIEEE has not said anything about passage based questions. The cut-off may go higher but a huge change looks unlikely. Finally, the exam still works on method of elimination due to limited seats and hence the difficulty level and cut-off etc. affect everybody and hence one should not delve too much into pondering about it. The only thing that every student needs to do is to prepare according to high difficulty level and do few passage based questions every week.

Continued from the previous post.....

What some students say when asked, "Do you think that IIT will get quality students if they set a simple high scoring paper?" and on IIT-JEE new pattern:
(Watch out for http://studentsblog.123iitjee.com also for more!)
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Gunarnav Dutta 61.3.137.147 posted: 17-Oct-2005 17:53

I think the new pattern is much improved to select good students. It is the scanning copy of SAT. The IIT experts always try to improve quality education. It will give an opportunity to thousands of poor hardworking students. Remember the prestige of IIT was spread all over the world by poor students only.Not by the sons of kings who now a days are getting into IIT by means of high guidance purchased through money.

ankit singh 221-134-47-14.sify.net posted: 17-Oct-2005 15:46

how can an institute get good students by easy paper. they can only get laborious students. the real good students can get selected by doing a tough paper which laborious students could not do.

Do you think that IIT will get quality students if they set a simple high scoring paper......

What some students say when asked, "Do you think that IIT will get quality students if they set a simple high scoring paper?" and on IIT-JEE new pattern (continued from the post of Oct.06/2005):
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himanshu thakur
210.211.165.217.bb-dynamic.vsnl.net.inposted: 16-Oct-2005 16:23
Tension and fear may discomfort some geniuses reqiured for the IIT but life outside iit is tougher as you have real life exams, so simply giving high scoring exams would not test the students with logic. IIT is not meant just to get admission or to study great books at great environmnet but to prepare for real life problems.

dedeepya
59.93.66.82posted: 16-Oct-2005 06:39
No I don't think so. And I don't even agree with this new pattern because there is no difference between good talented studet and an average student like me. And any average student now a days can get 60% in I.P . The limit should be atleast 80% so that IIT will get quality students.

T.V.S.Mani
61.1.202.244posted: 15-Oct-2005 06:45
The standards in education should be in keeping with international levels for students to make effective contributions in their chosen fields to face the competition in a golbalised economy that we are part of today. Students must be motivated to be interested in learnig the concepts involved as the advanced syllabii in schools require from the 9-th std level by teachers assessing them by proper feed-back and motivating promising students to plan and attain the proficiency required. There is no guarantee for this in setting a simple scoring paper. The studennts today are very bright and motivating them by raising thieir zeal to master basic concepts and their curiosity which the aspiring students have in abundance at the late school level is in my opinion the right thing.

Ritu
10.100.60.75posted: 10-Oct-2005 17:25
Well, i don't think so because i have seen lot's of students who have such a cramming power,that they can give answers by just reading them if they have read.Most of the times they do'nt know the actual concept behind that question, they just cram the formulae.

dr p. kumar
61.1.39.49posted: 10-Oct-2005 07:47
the old system of double filter stands good as lot no. appearing in jeecan be screened , mains can still further screen the best of the students its absolutely foolish to dont check their thorough theoretical knowledge ,objectives can be chance game & not true evaluation

RAHUL KUMAR
ppp179-133.pppcal.vsnl.net.inposted: 8-Oct-2005 10:25
from my point of view the new pattern would be tough for brilliant studend,as students might take chances and might also get more marks. but if u see altogether it is a good pattern.it ligtens the burden of students

ramachandra rao p
59.93.65.123posted: 6-Oct-2005 07:08
filtring/selecting by one type of Examination willnot get high quality students and allowing so many attemptsalso reduce quality of students selected

Pranshul
61.2.82.171posted: 2-Oct-2005 10:03
iit can not do so because they want students with analytical ability not students with high learning power.

Do you think that IIT will get quality students if they set a simple high scoring paper......

What some students say when asked, "Do you think that IIT will get quality students if they set a simple high scoring paper?" and on IIT-JEE new pattern:


arjun.s
219.65.100.52
posted: 18-Sep-2005 11:37
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i think that iit will get quality students even if the paper is set easy because for those quality students who can answer such tough questions will hava an easy time with an easy paper and will do much better.

shreyans jain
61.2.152.169
posted: 22-Sep-2005 20:23
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no,they'll nt get high quality students...coz those boys with mugging quality will enter iits instead of those having brains....

kanav
59.176.20.18
posted: 1-Oct-2005 03:31
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IIT was made to encourage good scientist and engineers but with this objective type of paper it will just test their speed and accuracy. yes it's true their will be analytical skills but still top ranks will shuffle just because of accuracy and not analytical skills.

K.S.Praharshit Sharma
172.18.2.70
posted: 1-Oct-2005 14:42
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A simple high scoring paper is more challenging and proves marginally suicidal and is, in my opinion the real test of a student's skill because not only should he prepare in such a way as to answer those pool of questions which most,if not everbody answers, but also answer those crucial questions which would ensure him relative betterment and success --the jee 2005 mains paper is an evident example of this.Morover,if the paper is tough and multi-tier,the respective drawbacks are that if a student knows a set of topics so well that he can answer highly tough questions from the same(assuming one or two are asked from the same one)then it becomes purely a matter of luck;regarding muti-tier nature,it so happens that a student has the potential to do far better in later trials than those who qualify for the same,without qualying the pre-requisite trials--this is no humbug--its proven!!which is a collosal loss to the IITs to miss such "bright" students(to win all battles is not important,but to win the war).Therefore a single war fought by every iit aspirant is the best,to their best.The limited attempts-introduction is a very good since all the candidates giving the jee in that particular year have almost the same level of mental maturity thus ensuring fairness(after all,war should be amongst equals!!)apart from saving their lives literally from the clutches of "ONLY IIT ho!ho!"which prompts them to sacrifice the otherwise beautiful college-life for giving 3-4 attempts.Lastly making the XII board exam as the qualifying examination really de-stresses the candidate since his primary aim should be to concentrate well for the boards,thus removing the 'for long-reccurent' dilemma of whether to sacrifice boards for iit or iit for boards.On the whole single-tier mode of evaluation by itself seems to be the ultimate winner for not only has it been succesful for over 45 years as the selection process for the coveted ring of iits ,but also the double-tier system is now held withdrawn just within 6 years of its implementation proving its discontent among all--students,parents and even the iit authorities alike forcing its predecessor to take place agin in the history of JEE leave alone "SIMPLICITY AND OBJECTIVITY",take alone (into consideration) its innovative comprehensive and analytical nature!!!
Mind you its a dream come true for me!

shanti
60.254.117.22
posted: 2-Oct-2005 09:44
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quality students can be selected only through tough paper


Pranshul
61.2.82.171
posted: 2-Oct-2005 10:03
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iit can not do so because they want students with analytical ability not students with high learning power.

Negative Marking in IIT JEE 2006

The notification on 1'st October was silent about negative marking. Negative marking is generally there in objective questions based papers like IIT-JEE Screening (last year)/CAT/AIEEE etc. The philosophy behind it is to avoid wild guessing but to promote intelligent guessing to some exent. Hence, at this point it is reasonable to expect that there is a high probability of negative marking in JEE 2006. Though it can be -1/3 as it was last year screening or it can be -1/4 or something else. The details of marking scheme are expected to be announced in the information brochure that will be made available from 28'th Novermber 2005.

PS: It may be interesting to note that certain international exams have removed negative marking and are following the method of adoptive testing.

12 Points to Tame the New Pattern IIT-JEE

1. Accuracy takes the front seat in JEE new pattern as examiner is not going to see your approach but is only going to see your final answer.
2. The primary emphasis is on depth of knowledge, analytical and comprehension skills and attitude.
3. If you are a class 11'th/12'th student, try to synergise your school study with the JEE study. While doing a new topic, always do it first from your school textbook followed by higher level books.
4. Even if JEE paper does become a bit easier, it may be good idea to prepare according to a tough paper. By following this approach, you can take care of both the tough and the relarively simple paper.
5. The method of preparation is changed a bit. Now apart from in-depth knowledge of the subject you need to be familiar with new types of questions that are designed to replace the requirement of subjective test. In this scenario, it would be wise to expose yourself to new types of questions.
6. Part-marking is no longer there. Hence writing all steps may be a waste of time. However the schooling system may require you to write all the steps. Hence, you will have to adopt different approaches for both the exams.
7. Self Study Plan: School Students: A student going to the school should follow the 4/10 plan, that is self-study for at least 4 hrs. on school days and at least 10 hrs. on holidays. There must be a 7 day or 10 day revision plan as well. 12'th Pass Students: A student not going to the school should follow the 10 hrs. plan, that is self-study for at least 10 hrs. everyday. There must be a 7 day or 10 day revision plan as well.
8. It is more important to do a question completely rather than trying to do more half-done questions.
9. JEE 2006 aspirants need to put themselves under test conditions once a week to get accustomed. Note that too much of test taking does not help. Only a deep understanding and other personal attributes can get you through JEE and not blind test taking. The frequency of test taking may be less for JEE 2007 aspirants in class 11'th but needs to be higher when they reach class 12'th.
   
10. Do approximations in calculations keeping an eye on the error.
11. It may be a good idea to solve some puzzles in your spare time.
12. In objective type of questions, method of elimination of options may work to your advantage in many questions. Using dimensional analysis, putting boundary conditions, putting values of variables, working backwards and many more techniques may work in such scenario.

References:

10 Keys to Unplug IIT-JEE
10 Keys to Unlock Mains
10 Tips for IIT JEE Screening Test